Comments on: The Foresaken Qur’an http://harisi.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/the-foresaken-quran/ O Lord, pour out upon us patience and cause us to die in submission to Your Will.” – Surah 7 verse 126. Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:20:31 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Javed http://harisi.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/the-foresaken-quran/#comment-69 Javed Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:20:01 +0000 http://harisi.wordpress.com/?p=10#comment-69 Salaam/Peace Everybody, Islam has become corrupted so much by the introduction of sectarian teachings and when you question people about the origin of these practices, they will tell you that you are not the same level understanding of Alims to understand it and better follow your religion and have faith on hadiths. When you tell cite them hadiths that contadict logic and the Quran, they consider you as a strayer can be stoned for heresy. Javed, from Mauritius. Salaam/Peace Everybody,

Islam has become corrupted so much by the introduction of sectarian teachings and when you question people about the origin of these practices, they will tell you that you are not the same level understanding of Alims to understand it and better follow your religion and have faith on hadiths.
When you tell cite them hadiths that contadict logic and the Quran, they consider you as a strayer can be stoned for heresy.

Javed, from Mauritius.

]]> By: sampalee http://harisi.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/the-foresaken-quran/#comment-59 sampalee Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:22:04 +0000 http://harisi.wordpress.com/?p=10#comment-59 We start life with faith in the word of wisdom and then by evalution and reflection live life affirming this wisdom.A good example will be 'Do not play with fire'will serve us well as children.As one gets older one understand the nature of fire and the blind faith that serve us so well as an aid bloom into respect for fire.Do not dismiss the door of faith as like the baby walker are good aid for baby learning to walk and yet must be discarded when one can walk.Recognise aids as aids and one see the usefulness of Hadith in its relevance to the Truth revealed in the quran.Quran is indeed easy for those with straigt forward mind.This site does more good for Islam than the building of expensive mosques.Thank you Haris. We start life with faith in the word of wisdom and then by evalution and reflection live life affirming this wisdom.A good example will be ‘Do not play with fire’will serve us well as children.As one gets older one understand the nature of fire and the blind faith that serve us so well as an aid bloom into respect for fire.Do not dismiss the door of faith as like the baby walker are good aid for baby learning to walk and yet must be discarded when one can walk.Recognise aids as aids and one see the usefulness of Hadith in its relevance to the Truth revealed in the quran.Quran is indeed easy for those with straigt forward mind.This site does more good for Islam than the building of expensive mosques.Thank you Haris.

]]> By: Admiral Tojo http://harisi.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/the-foresaken-quran/#comment-55 Admiral Tojo Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:35:27 +0000 http://harisi.wordpress.com/?p=10#comment-55 Prayer is 'Dua' in Quran. Many verses reflect this. 'Salata' to me is committments as in Wa aqeemu salat - And uphold your commitment. Likewise I am on a long journey that may take the whole of my lifetime. In the meantime I will follow closely the Quran'a advise as in "implore, reflect, question and not accept anything I cannot verify". The Uztasses of the world, on the contrary, advise for us to follow blindly, as in the concept of 'taqlid'. Therefore the first thing I did was to not follow whatever they say. The Quran is indeed very easy to learn, is there anyone who wishes to learn? Salaam Prayer is ‘Dua’ in Quran. Many verses reflect this. ‘Salata’ to me is committments as in Wa aqeemu salat – And uphold your commitment. Likewise I am on a long journey that may take the whole of my lifetime. In the meantime I will follow closely the Quran’a advise as in “implore, reflect, question and not accept anything I cannot verify”. The Uztasses of the world, on the contrary, advise for us to follow blindly, as in the concept of ‘taqlid’. Therefore the first thing I did was to not follow whatever they say. The Quran is indeed very easy to learn, is there anyone who wishes to learn?

Salaam

]]> By: Satya http://harisi.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/the-foresaken-quran/#comment-23 Satya Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:04:46 +0000 http://harisi.wordpress.com/?p=10#comment-23 A question on the word 'salata'. And since you've been mulling over this for many years, it's definitely struck you before, I'm sure. But I'll ask it anyway. Might not the word have more than 1 meaning? Perhaps it does indeed mean 'prayer' or 'worship' in some contexts? And perhaps in others it may mean an 'ordained way of life'? <em>Satya, Let's entertain your argument for a moment. Who's to say, then, when 'salata' in one verse means 'pray' or 'worship' and when, in another verse, it means 'ordained way of life'? I think the problem arises, when trying to translate or interpret the Qur'an, when we bring to this effort the baggage handed to us by our forefathers. Take prayer. This was impressed upon and accepted by me as a cardinal requisite of Islam well before I had begun to try and understand the Qur'an for myself. So when you read the verses that allude to bowing and prostration, you immediately assume that these are further affirmations of a command to perform a certain ritual called 'prayer' Until you encounter a verse like 22 : 18 and are prepared to ponder on the question 'how does the mountain prostrate? Is this prostration intended to mean a literal prostration or does it allude to a adherence by all of creation to His Divine Will?</em> A question on the word ’salata’. And since you’ve been mulling over this for many years, it’s definitely struck you before, I’m sure. But I’ll ask it anyway. Might not the word have more than 1 meaning? Perhaps it does indeed mean ‘prayer’ or ‘worship’ in some contexts? And perhaps in others it may mean an ‘ordained way of life’?

Satya,

Let’s entertain your argument for a moment.

Who’s to say, then, when ’salata’ in one verse means ‘pray’ or ‘worship’ and when, in another verse, it means ‘ordained way of life’?

I think the problem arises, when trying to translate or interpret the Qur’an, when we bring to this effort the baggage handed to us by our forefathers.

Take prayer.

This was impressed upon and accepted by me as a cardinal requisite of Islam well before I had begun to try and understand the Qur’an for myself. So when you read the verses that allude to bowing and prostration, you immediately assume that these are further affirmations of a command to perform a certain ritual called ‘prayer’

Until you encounter a verse like 22 : 18 and are prepared to ponder on the question ‘how does the mountain prostrate? Is this prostration intended to mean a literal prostration or does it allude to a adherence by all of creation to His Divine Will?

]]> By: mafkar http://harisi.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/the-foresaken-quran/#comment-9 mafkar Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:10:02 +0000 http://harisi.wordpress.com/?p=10#comment-9 Salaam, May Allah help you in your search for knowledge. Although same in beliefs and in dogma (aqeedah), the nations (umam plural of ummah) before us did have different laws in place. The Jews, for example, if someone committed a sin then he would have to kill himself. If alcohol was to stain clothes then they would have to cut the piece of cloth off the clothes. Also, they couldn't pray in every place, rather only in the masjid. There is a hadeeth of the Prophet (SAW) in which he says that 'my ummah has been given preference, all of the earth has been made a 'masjid' for it...'( I believe this hadeeth is in Imam Muslim's collection.) Wallahu 'alam Salaam,

May Allah help you in your search for knowledge.

Although same in beliefs and in dogma (aqeedah), the nations (umam plural of ummah) before us did have different laws in place. The Jews, for example, if someone committed a sin then he would have to kill himself. If alcohol was to stain clothes then they would have to cut the piece of cloth off the clothes. Also, they couldn’t pray in every place, rather only in the masjid. There is a hadeeth of the Prophet (SAW) in which he says that ‘my ummah has been given preference, all of the earth has been made a ‘masjid’ for it…’( I believe this hadeeth is in Imam Muslim’s collection.)

Wallahu ‘alam

]]> By: Yuzaidi Yusoff http://harisi.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/the-foresaken-quran/#comment-8 Yuzaidi Yusoff Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:01:26 +0000 http://harisi.wordpress.com/?p=10#comment-8 This is a good reminder for many if not all. Knowledge ("ilm") is something that one should not stop learning/getting/cultivating. It is endless. Reading the Quran goes beyond reciting it beautifully and with perfect tajwid. There will be questions and curiosities that arise when trying to understand it. Yes, question it if you are not sure or do not understand it. Seek the right scholar to field your question, cross check the answers with other scholars. Performing solat sunat Istikharoh is the other avenue that I personally use when I am confused and would like to seek His guidance on certain issues or I can't seem to find answer to. Lastly, remember this, what we know is just a drop of water in an ocean; Allah's knowledge is all the ocean combined together and more. For He knows best. Wallahualam. This is a good reminder for many if not all. Knowledge (“ilm”) is something that one should not stop learning/getting/cultivating. It is endless. Reading the Quran goes beyond reciting it beautifully and with perfect tajwid. There will be questions and curiosities that arise when trying to understand it. Yes, question it if you are not sure or do not understand it. Seek the right scholar to field your question, cross check the answers with other scholars. Performing solat sunat Istikharoh is the other avenue that I personally use when I am confused and would like to seek His guidance on certain issues or I can’t seem to find answer to. Lastly, remember this, what we know is just a drop of water in an ocean; Allah’s knowledge is all the ocean combined together and more. For He knows best. Wallahualam.

]]> By: singam http://harisi.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/the-foresaken-quran/#comment-6 singam Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:56:33 +0000 http://harisi.wordpress.com/?p=10#comment-6 Haris, Some people seem to think the sequence of the Surah, which is not specified in Qur'an, is critically important. They use this as one of the justifications for adherence to the Hadith. Seems to me, if Qur'an does not specify the sequence, then the sequence is unimportant. Am I missing something? <em>Singam, My 2 sen. In approaching the Qur'an, I have divided the verses into 4 categories. 1st, the historical verses. The correctness of accounts therein cannot be verified by forensics. 2nd, the normatives. They either resonate with you or they don't. 3rd, the scientific verses. 4th, the verses that incline me away from deducing that this was the work of one writing his own autobiography. Sequence has never been essential for me. It has, however, been a most useful reason for those who wish to embellish what is to be found in the scripture. As I said, my 2 sen </em> Haris,

Some people seem to think the sequence of the Surah, which is not specified in Qur’an, is critically important. They use this as one of the justifications for adherence to the Hadith.

Seems to me, if Qur’an does not specify the sequence, then the sequence is unimportant.

Am I missing something?

Singam,

My 2 sen.

In approaching the Qur’an, I have divided the verses into 4 categories.

1st, the historical verses. The correctness of accounts therein cannot be verified by forensics.

2nd, the normatives. They either resonate with you or they don’t.

3rd, the scientific verses.

4th, the verses that incline me away from deducing that this was the work of one writing his own autobiography.

Sequence has never been essential for me. It has, however, been a most useful reason for those who wish to embellish what is to be found in the scripture.

As I said, my 2 sen

]]> By: R S http://harisi.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/the-foresaken-quran/#comment-5 R S Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:27:28 +0000 http://harisi.wordpress.com/?p=10#comment-5 I suggest you read the Penguin translation of the Qur'an. There is no mention of prayer there. Only 'worship'. Pity that that translation, done by N J Dawood in 1956, is banned in your country. Oh yes, and I thought that the literal translation of 'Islam' is 'submit' and not 'peace'? <em>RS, I had a copy of Dawood's translation. Also Ahmed Ali. Both were stolen during a Qur'an study session! I kid you not. I am still not comfortable with worship. It does not fit into the context of 11:87 or even 14:37. I have come to understand Islam to mean 'attainment of peace through submission or surrender'. </em> I suggest you read the Penguin translation of the Qur’an. There is no mention of prayer there. Only ‘worship’. Pity that that translation, done by N J Dawood in 1956, is banned in your country.

Oh yes, and I thought that the literal translation of ‘Islam’ is ’submit’ and not ‘peace’?

RS,

I had a copy of Dawood’s translation. Also Ahmed Ali.

Both were stolen during a Qur’an study session! I kid you not.

I am still not comfortable with worship. It does not fit into the context of 11:87 or even 14:37.

I have come to understand Islam to mean ‘attainment of peace through submission or surrender’.

]]> By: Nik E Nik A Rashid http://harisi.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/the-foresaken-quran/#comment-3 Nik E Nik A Rashid Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:56:42 +0000 http://harisi.wordpress.com/?p=10#comment-3 Good one Haris. Btw, you still owe me a copy of the Quranic translations according to index Nik E Good one Haris.
Btw, you still owe me a copy of the Quranic translations according to index

Nik E

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